tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post211439605480571629..comments2024-01-31T16:44:50.071-05:00Comments on La Contra Revolución: Believe It...Gusanohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09338808907114840043noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-36129571727284789242007-08-01T17:25:00.000-04:002007-08-01T17:25:00.000-04:00Everyone needs something to believe im. I believe ...Everyone needs something to believe im. I believe I'll have another beerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-65986445836445021722007-08-01T16:13:00.000-04:002007-08-01T16:13:00.000-04:00MW: As usual, we have no common ground, well maybe...MW: <BR/><BR/>As usual, we have no common ground, well maybe on Gomez.<BR/><BR/>My conclusions on the editorial are not false or disingenuous.<BR/><BR/>The PBP is proposing that we accept Raul’s offer to negotiate. Why would you accept an offer from someone who isn’t sincere? They must obviously believe that the other party wants to negotiate, which I “believe” to be false-a simple analysis of his “offer” will show that. Otherwise, you’re negotiating for negotiations sake..what good is that?<BR/><BR/>The PBP’s argument is that since we have ignored China’s human rights problems, we should do the same with Cuba. My point is that we would have never done that under Mao just like we haven’t done it under the Castros.<BR/><BR/>They surmise that the reason that American foreign policy is different is because you have a bunch of politically active spics in South Florida who are mucking things up by participating in the political process. That’s just racist.<BR/><BR/>If I want to label the fact that the gov’t spends untold taxpayer dollars to prevent some imaginary mass migration “cubanophobia” that’s my choice. <BR/><BR/>The one thing I don’t do is say that you’re a liar or that you ideas are absurd. <BR/><BR/>The whole point of the post is that everybody believes what they want to believe, myself included, and that everybody has to fight to be free, Cubans included. But people who don’t see things in black and white, like you know I do, will argue that things are gray an relative and that there are many ways to look at an issue…except the Cuban-Exile way..that’s just black and white dyed in the wool totally wrong….<BR/><BR/>CubanophobiaGusanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09338808907114840043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-48778838171084574532007-08-01T14:43:00.000-04:002007-08-01T14:43:00.000-04:00Oh oh, I responded THREE times to this post. Acco...Oh oh, I responded THREE times to this post. According to Prieto logic, that must mean you hit the nail on the head THREE times!<BR/><BR/>Way to go Gusano!Mambi_Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549064503082026848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-27522917608661588632007-08-01T14:41:00.000-04:002007-08-01T14:41:00.000-04:00Cubanophobia "hit the nail on the head"? Ha!First...Cubanophobia "hit the nail on the head"? Ha!<BR/><BR/>First, I apologize Gusano if I read too much into your initial reply. I won't assume what you position is, so lets review your post.<BR/><BR/>From your reading of the PBP editorial you have concluded that the editors believe:<BR/><BR/>- "Raul Castro wants to sincerely negotiate."<BR/><BR/>On the contrary, the PBP NEVER says this, you only assume from your reading. The PBP mentions Raul's "olive branch" but does not describe what Raul's personal feelings are. Those are YOUR attributions. On the other hand, the PBP says: "The longer the United States isolates itself, the less prepared the United States will be to help the Cuban people seize that day."<BR/><BR/>The PBP argues that the US should change its policy and negotiate. It has nothing to do with Raul or his sentiments. Raul could have offered nothing and the PBP would still make this argument.<BR/><BR/>- "What works with China, will Work with Cuba."<BR/><BR/>Again, this is not the PBP's argument, it is YOURS. The PBP makes a clear point about the inconsistent application of a HUMAN RIGHTS requirement for normal relations with Cuba, in comparison to China's.<BR/><BR/>The PBP does not say to use the same method on Cuba as with China, but rather to point out the flaw in US policy towards Cuba.<BR/><BR/>- "And... as far as those hated, hard-line exiles driving US policy."<BR/><BR/>Your false and extreme attributions of others are very revealing. Your unique term "Cubanophobia" is very creative, but quite absurd.<BR/><BR/>Security mobilization in order to control mass movement seems standard procedure to anyone. But, somehow its "cubanophobia" to you when it involves Cubans.<BR/><BR/>How ironic and contradictory that preparations for mass celebrations in Miami were supported by Manny Diaz, a Cuban. And, also the preparation for a mass exodus of maybe 500,000 rafters was an idea of UM's Andy Gomez, a Cuban!<BR/><BR/>A Cuban with Cubanophobia? Come on.Mambi_Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549064503082026848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-33916288241438866642007-08-01T09:10:00.000-04:002007-08-01T09:10:00.000-04:00Excellent post, Gusano. The fact that Mambi watch ...Excellent post, Gusano. The fact that Mambi watch is here doing spin and damage control proves you pretty much hit the nail on the head.Val Prietohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15857729823069869008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-90925647677143685452007-07-31T19:53:00.000-04:002007-07-31T19:53:00.000-04:00no, MB I don't believe that,sorry that's just a ra...no, MB I don't believe that,sorry that's just a rationalization for Cubanophobia - a sort of paranoia/envy that seems to afflict non-Cubans.it's not either /or. there could be some hidden gov't agenda as to why the "embargo" such as it is is still in place. Besides i don't see any scam in any interest group empowering themselves in the political process. it speaks volumes for democracy.Gusanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09338808907114840043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-39725067036981244922007-07-31T19:19:00.000-04:002007-07-31T19:19:00.000-04:00Right on, Gusano.Right on, Gusano.rsnlkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04727373901371275583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-4215397514017625592007-07-31T18:34:00.000-04:002007-07-31T18:34:00.000-04:00Then you accept the editorial saying: "maintaining...Then you accept the editorial saying: "maintaining the GOP's balance of power in Florida" is the aim of the embargo.<BR/><BR/>Why do you accept such a scam?Mambi_Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549064503082026848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-44409308378189192732007-07-31T16:43:00.000-04:002007-07-31T16:43:00.000-04:00outcome? ever wondered what the desired outcome of...outcome? ever wondered what the desired outcome of the embargo was/is?...hmmm....saying wether it has failed or not would require one to "believe" the government's "stated" motives. no thank you.Gusanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09338808907114840043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32424382.post-16230078322346707962007-07-31T16:06:00.000-04:002007-07-31T16:06:00.000-04:00"as if reality was an objective and concrete 'thin..."as if reality was an objective and concrete 'thing' that they haven’t subjectively interpreted through their own belief system"?<BR/><BR/>While at times hard to put your finger on, we don't need to think of "reality" as some intangible and amorphous "thing."<BR/><BR/>There are many ways we make sense of the world, and that doesn't mean that "reality" is uniform or unique. The real world is made of several views and perspectives that may even appear to contradict each other.<BR/><BR/>But, that's why he have modes of inquiry and investigation. Methods by which several people can come to agreement on certain phenomena.<BR/><BR/>In the case of Cuba, there's a simple rationale that opposes current US policy: five decades of isolationism appeared to have failed to achieve a certain outcome. This is a fact that can actually be tested, and it has been studied very thoroughly.<BR/><BR/>But, how can you convince someone about something when there are no results to study? Such as the success of the US embargo. <BR/><BR/>That's a reality that counters simple human reason.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the embargo may be intangible "thing." Like Jaime Suchlicki once wrote: The embargo is psychological.<BR/><BR/>I agree.Mambi_Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549064503082026848noreply@blogger.com